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February 12, 2009 Leaving the Church, and Cynthia, Behind By Aliza Hausman 81 Comments
E-Mail This Print This RSS Feed ![]() Cynthia was a first-generation Italian-American Catholic, the kind of hardcore Catholic that went to church on other days besides Sunday. She was the big sister I had always wanted. She went with me to look at apartments in college so I wouldn’t fall prey to strange roommates or swindling realtors. And it was Cynthia who gave me $800 once as a Christmas present because I wanted to visit my father in the Dominican Republic, who I hadn’t seen in nearly ten years. Cynthia told me the experience would change my life and my relationship with my father forever. She was right, of course, like big sisters often are. I loved Cynthia. I saw a bit of myself in her. I wanted to be as generous as she always was. I wanted to be as good a person as Cynthia was. She was faithful. She attended church often, even helped in the rectory, I think. Unlike most of my friends, Cynthia refused to have sex before marriage. I looked up to her, even though we were both about 5’3.” Like all good Catholic girls, Cynthia wanted to get married in a big Roman Catholic Church. I didn’t. But I wasn’t a good Catholic girl. I’d dreamt of being married in a synagogue without ever having set foot in one. I’d hungered to be Jewish before I’d even known what Jewish was. At eight years old, in Sunday school, I had quickly learned that I saw G-d differently than other Catholics did. The idea of Jesus confused me but the story of Moses drew me in. I didn’t know that one story came from the New Testament and the other came from the Torah. I just made it a point to watch “The Ten Commandments” religiously every Easter and I gritted my teeth through church. But would I go back to church to see her get married, Cynthia wanted to know. So even though the idea of setting foot in a church again made me uncomfortable, I asked my rabbi about it. He spouted off phrases like “functioning churches” and “the pain and suffering the church has caused the Jewish people.” He spoke of idols like the big crosses that had always made me cringe. The answer, basically, was “no.” I took that to include attending the wedding ceremonies of my family and friends, even Cynthia. And secretly, I was glad. Now that I had found my place in the world, I didn’t want to look back. The church was my past, Judaism was my present and future. But telling Cynthia I wouldn’t attend her big church wedding, even one that was very much imaginary at the time, was another thing. Cynthia had been incredibly supportive of my conversion. She had asked me only gentle questions about it. She had told me that if I really believed in what I was doing, it was the right thing for me. There were never any recriminations from Cynthia—none of the unreturned phone calls there had been from other Christian friends after the confession: “I’m converting to Judaism.” Cynthia still returned my calls and she never asked why I didn’t, couldn’t, believe in Jesus. Our friendship soared high above our religious differences. Then I told Cynthia I would never set foot in a “functioning” church again. I uttered the words in a calm, soothing voice, the kind you’d use with a child, not a nearly thirty-year-old woman. She didn’t understand. Her voice was shrill, high and taut with tension. “You won’t come to my wedding?” Cynthia asked. “But why?” I tried to explain, the words like peanut butter stuck to the roof of my mouth, I couldn’t get them out right, I stumbled over them. My sister later told me I should have said, “This is one of the things my new religion asks of me and I can’t turn my back on it.” I don’t think that would have ameliorated Cynthia’s hurt. She said at church that they always prayed for the Jewish people. She couldn’t understand why my religion asked me to never walk into a church, not even for one-time events and I couldn’t understand why it wasn’t enough that I would attend the reception I couldn’t eat at…if it wasn’t in a church. I remember the fear that enveloped my chest like fingers with long nails piercing and squeezing my heart. I was afraid that if I hung up on Cynthia, I would never hear from her again. On the phone, I emailed my rabbi, hoping that there was some other way he could say "this church thing" in a way that wouldn’t hurt Cynthia. I remember signing onto a Jewish website and reading the answer to some question like “Why can’t Jews go to church?” and then reading the answer aloud to Cynthia in a shaky voice, bereft of soothing tones, a voice that cracked with fear. I remember thinking that Cynthia wasn’t listening. I pictured her as a child, crying in the corner, her ears covered up with her hands. There were no words that would make it better. Our friendship was being tested and I would soon learn whether or not our religious differences could really separate us. She told me again and again that she would go to my hypothetical wedding in a synagogue and that it injured her that I wouldn’t be there for her wedding. It felt like we were playing tennis, volleying the same ball, the same words, back at each other over and over again. The conversation lasted hours but we weren’t getting anywhere. There was no place to go. In the happy ending of this story, we would have both swallowed our pain to maintain our friendship and “that church thing” would have become the elephant always in the room with us. We would have never spoken of it again. We would have glanced at each other more warily until we finally came to trust each other again. Maybe I would have given in and said, “For you, I’ll set foot in a church again, but only for you.” But I didn’t say it. When we finally hung up the phone, I trembled slightly, trying to battle against the fear that threatened to unhinge me. We would move past this, I told myself. But there was doubt. I counted on my fingers the body count left over from my decision to convert, the friends I had offended, insulted and hurt, the number felt high. Too high. I tried to reassure myself that those had been lesser friendships, not true friendships like the one Cynthia and I shared. I emailed Cynthia. I apologized profusely for causing her pain. I told her how much I loved her and I detailed how much she meant to me. I left messages with her mother and father, who fondly remembered feeding me, and I listened deeply for signs in their voices that might help me gauge whether Cynthia was ignoring my calls. They said she just wasn’t home. Eventually, I stopped bothering them. She never called. She never wrote. I never heard from Cynthia again. She never made it to my big synagogue wedding; I never found out if I would have caved for her big church wedding. Three years later, when my in-laws took me and my husband to Rome for a big family vacation, I knew the first place I wanted to go. It was the only exception I had been willing to make early in my conversion. I had always known that if someday it were possible, I would go to the Sistine Chapel and stand below Michelangelo’s rendition of Adam and G-d. I tried not to think of Cynthia when I finally stood under the ceiling and I told myself that the Sistine Chapel was not a functioning church. The next step on the tour, though, was St. Peter’s Basilica. Its claim to fame according to my guidebook was a statue of St. Peter and the Virgin Mary, the 1972 story of the man who yelled “I am Jesus Christ!” before smashing the Virgin’s nose and fingers on the statue, and an infamous crypt. The Basilica also held relics that included St. Veronica’s handkerchief bearing Christ’s face and finally, “a fragment of the True Cross.” There was no way I was setting foot in that church. Instead, I sat in front on the steps while my family filed in to “look at the art.” I eyed a mass schedule that told me the Basilica was very much a functioning church and I could think of nothing but Cynthia. When my husband and his family exited the church, my husband looked stunned. Everyone, including the Jewish tour guide, had gotten caught up in the middle of Mass. They’d had to sit through parts of the service before they were allowed to leave. My husband was sheepish but I felt ever more certain of my convictions to sit out that part of the tour. Cynthia had been too great a loss. Walking into St. Peter’s Basilica would have felt like a desecration of my long lost friendship with Cynthia and the oath I had taken before her. As we left St. Peter’s Basilica, I looked back once. I was looking back on my past as a Catholic; I was looking back at it as the wife of a future rabbi. I was looking back at Cynthia, too, feeling my heart clench just as painfully as the last day we had spoken to each other. And then finally, I turned, looked ahead and put one foot in front of the other. I knew there was no going back. Aliza Hausman a Latina Orthodox Jewish convert, freelance writer, blogger and educator. Currently working on a memoir, she lives in New York with her husband who is pursuing rabbinical ordination.
© Orthodox Union - All Rights Reserved. The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the Orthodox Union and its agencies Recent CommentsI understand that other rabbinic authorities are of the opinion that if there are no outward signs that you, a Jew, are *not* in the church to pray as a non-Jew then it is all right to enter the church. I think it is terrible to give up such a deep and meaningful friendship. I think her conversion rabbi was wrong based on Jewish law. Arnold Kiner posted on 02/12 at 11:16 PM. Dear Aliza, Heshie Billet posted on 02/12 at 11:21 PM. I would like to learn from Rabbi Weinstock and from Rabbi Lookstein whether they indeed believe you did the right thing -- that within their view of Judaism you had no other options. It's very easy to say "no" -- a strength of Judaism is finding a way to say "yes" in situations like this. Robert L Smith posted on 02/12 at 11:30 PM. how come your husband went in? is he not jewish?! david posted on 02/12 at 11:36 PM. Admirable and touching in every respect--religiously, emotionally, and aesthetically. David Berger posted on 02/12 at 11:38 PM. By promoting an emotive response to Rabbi Lookstein's actions rather than a reasoned or Halakhic debate, the Mrs Hausman (whatever the merits of her story) allows the OU a punt on a sensitive and contemporary issue. Halakhic debate would focus on the applicability of categories like Menahem haMeiri's "religions of reason" in contemporary discourse. Other Halakhists might find themselves questioning whether someone "close to the sovereign" might still be allowed to enter the Church of a religion which is not quite within Meiri's purview. Other foci of debate might be the current status of Obama as a quasi Messianic sovereign, and whether we should join such a secular religion or conversely, the status of civic religion as religion at all. All of these factors might be seen as mitigating or indicting but all of them are much more relevant than how Mrs. Hausman, with all respect to her story, felt about Moses and Jesus in school. Mrs. Hausman's story of friendship is poignant and deeply moving but again in this context a complete cop out. While we may question her judgment about her friend's non wedding or the difference between St. Peters and the non-operational (sic) Sistine Chapel (used for important Papal Services) none of this is relevant to the controversy surrounding Rabbi Lookstein. All this piece ends up doing is furthering the emotive, knee jerk and usually nonsensical responses many Orthodox Jews have towards other religions. At a time fraught with intra and inter religious conflict this is hardly the path we want to encourage, and the cultivation of some serious nuance is needed as a propaedeutic to any future debate on this highly germane topic. chakira posted on 02/13 at 12:05 AM. Told truthfully, from the heart. Ms. Hausman knows how to connect sincerely with people. A valuable skill in this day and age. Rabbi Israel Robinson posted on 02/13 at 12:08 AM. I do not understand what this story is meant to teach us. I am an orthodox convert myself, and it is stories like this one that deeply disturb me, and that cause me to call into question my own religious convictions, rather than strengthen them. I was drawn to Judaism for its tolerance and acceptance of others who are different, including others of different faiths. I don't know of any rule stating that Jews, other than Cohens, can't set foot inside a church. I am saddened that the author gave up such an important friendship for such a trivial matter. We should be secure enough in our own identities to know that our presence inside of a church will not call into question our own religious convictions. Judaism needs to be more sensitive and respectful of other religions and cultures, and the current culture of exclusion and the "us versus them" mentality will cause Judaism to be obsoleted long before its time. Cindy posted on 02/13 at 12:12 AM. I'm converted too with family traditions that probe the hidden heritage of Jewish roots. Ivan posted on 02/13 at 12:37 AM. I totally disagree with Aliza and the whole notion that Orthodox Jews cannot go into a church. I go to all my Christian friends' weddings, confirmations, funerals whether there are masses or not. I feel enough confidence in my Judaism to be able to enjoy their joy and their sadness. We need to relate as human beings. Also I very much enjoy recognizing our parentage of Christianity and recognizing the many elements of Jewish elements in the Christian Service. lawrence Sheftel posted on 02/13 at 12:41 AM. You couldn't walk into a church, just once, for your best friend's wedding? And now you have the cold comfort of being right according to halacha, but you have lost the comfort and warmth of a best friend. Life is just too short to alienate friends because of religious differences. Ivan L. Engel posted on 02/13 at 12:41 AM. Let me start by saying that learning to let go of the pain, of losing a friend over Judaism, is the first step to embracing Jewish life! Rebecca P. posted on 02/13 at 12:44 AM. Growing up, I too was galvanized by the stories of what the church, chiefly the catholic, had done throughout history to our people. However, this article, seemingly transcends the ideal of friendship with the world around us to cultivate the ostracism that, in my opinion, has likewise caused great harm to our generations. To turn one's back on a son or daughter who is seemingly led astray to conversion is headish. The commandments are, indeed, plain to all, however, so is the covenant and which of us can annul it? Not to overstretch the point but my point here is not tolerance but mercy and kindness rather than the turning away of rejection. B'ezrat HaShem Let us be kind thus making a mitzvah rather than moat. Brandon Anderson posted on 02/13 at 12:47 AM. Cindy: Hang in there. I was born Jewish and am also deeply disturbed by this story and even more so by the RCA response to Rabbi Lookstein. I sent the following to the RCA copied to Rabbi Lookstein. He thanked me, the RCA ignored me. Robert L Smith posted on 02/13 at 01:00 AM. B"H menachem posted on 02/13 at 01:05 AM. Yours is the true acceptance of Hash-m's Torah. Naaseh V'Nishma. We will do what is asked of us with no questions and no compromising, simply because this is what Hash-m wants us to do. We will hear sarah nadel posted on 02/13 at 01:05 AM. For the record, I never said I disagreed with Rabbi Lookstein's decision. Aliza Hausman posted on 02/13 at 01:38 AM. I was brought up in the U.K. In the East End of London, you might call it the Ghetto we Jews created for ourselves. Anne Sloman posted on 02/13 at 01:53 AM. I know a member of Young Israel who told us that he could not attend the funeral service of a friend's father. He just stood in front of the church. The pastor came out and said, "I understand. You can't come in." So there is such a path. Inanna Bashkan posted on 02/13 at 02:05 AM. Dear Aliza, Tehillah posted on 02/13 at 03:57 AM. I am a Mexican American Reform convert. My Mother had me baptized Catholic at birth. As a child I was raised Methodist by my Catholic mother and Methodist father. He was the son of a Methodist minister. Angelita Galvan Freeman posted on 02/13 at 04:04 AM. You did the right thing. The bottom line is, that a separation between Jews and Gentiles is built in to much of our religion, and rightly so because otherwise, we would assimilate and, chesvashalom, disappear. Chayamiriam posted on 02/13 at 06:10 AM. Dear Ms. Hausman, Amy posted on 02/13 at 07:39 AM. While I have not read all the pro's & con's in this Obama-Lookstein controversy, the Halacha is quite clear when it comes for Jews entering a used place of idolatry. No apologetics, no "reasons for a higher purpose" can ever validate anyone, rabbi or not to enter such a place, sorry, but the truth has to be told, and that's what we as Jews are all about, THE TRUTH. Yehoshua posted on 02/13 at 08:14 AM. Rabbi Hershie Billet wrote: "What you should have told Cynthia is what I believe Rabbi Lookstein should have told the Obama aide who invited him. That is, that the practice of religion is a deeply personal intimate relationship with God. I am only comfortable maintaining the privacy of that relationship in my own House of Worship. I respect all people of faith who worship God including Christians." Dr Richard Wolberg posted on 02/13 at 08:45 AM. I was raised as a Protestant, went to public school in Kansas and remember dancing the Hora while singing Hanukah songs (this was in the 1960's). Anne (in Virginia USA) posted on 02/13 at 08:46 AM. I give kudos to Mrs. Hausman, for the difficult decisions she had to make, for consulting her Rav before making a decision in a halachically cloudy context, and for sharing the experience with us. Matthew G. posted on 02/13 at 09:20 AM. As a religious Jew who does not believe in having graven images. It should have been awkward to sit thru any type service in church. I have attended non Jewish weddings in other locals easily. Isaac posted on 02/13 at 09:24 AM. I find your article somewhat disturbing because, as far as I know, there is no written command "not" to enter a church. One's intent on entering a church should be the criteria. Rabbi Bernie Fox wrote an outstanding article on this very concept in this weeks edition of the Jewish Times. His contention is that there should be two criteria when making halakic rulings. There should certainly be the issue of din being critical to the ruling but that also, the issue of hesed has got to play a vital part in ones ruling. Your rabbi seemed to not consider hesed at all when he advised you. How unfortunate that a special friendship was destroyed. Avraham posted on 02/13 at 09:54 AM. As a fellow Orthodox convert, I reacted with great sadness to your loss of a lifelong friend. Although I was never faced with the crisis you experienced, I would have understood if you had made a one-time exception for your best friend who so cared for you. Still, I can only admire your steadfastness in yiddishkeit, and hope that some day you and Cynthia will be reconciled. Chazak! -- Efraim Carlsen, Woodmere,NY Efraim Carlsen posted on 02/13 at 10:03 AM. Maybe with all the changes you had made, the friendship was already changing. Friendships seem to be based on things people have in common. As you made changes in your life (changes that affected all areas of your life), you both probably were starting to go separate directions anyway. It is always sad to lose a good friend, but sometimes it seems some friends are only in our lives for a season. You have all those wonderful memories to go back to. Rachel posted on 02/13 at 10:14 AM. I personally have asked quite a few 'TORAH ORTHODOX RABBIS' ABOUT THEIR OPINION'. DACON9 aka DAVID posted on 02/13 at 10:19 AM. I first read this story on beyondbt.com earlier this week, and am glad the OU picked it up as well as it certainly is valid for many reasons. Charnie posted on 02/13 at 10:24 AM. I would like to see someone with knowledge of Halakha to post an opinion with references. (Mishna Brura, Shulhan Oruch, any other Halakhic text that Orthodox Judaism finds authoritative.) Jeff posted on 02/13 at 11:22 AM. Aliza, Rabbi Joseph Fred Benson posted on 02/13 at 11:22 AM. Aliza-- David M. Frost posted on 02/13 at 11:26 AM. Aliza, Amy Sue Nathan posted on 02/13 at 11:31 AM. What a shame to lose a good friend over something as trivial as setting foot in a church. I was raised Catholic and as a child we were told that we could not go to visit a Protestant church. As a young child I would sneak into the Greek Orthodox church. Now I attend a Jewish Temple. The hurt that she caused her friend was irreconcilable. Irene posted on 02/13 at 11:35 AM. It was pointed out to me that there is a vast difference between a Roman Catholic church and an Episcopalian one - where Rabbi Lookstein was, I believe. The latter, I am told, does not display crosses and idols. Therefore, one should not equate the Rabbi's decision with Aliza's. Rivka posted on 02/13 at 12:19 PM. A shandeh to the Goyim! Norman Green posted on 02/13 at 12:20 PM. Aliza, you know how I love your writing and how you so candidly share your experiences. You do so much for getting the voice of gerim (converts) "out there". But something about this article just broke my heart; and when all is said and done, I do not agree with your approach. I am not saying that what you did was outright wrong...or that the halacha is not clear regarding Jews entering churches (it is). But in my humble opinion, the Cynthia situation was not dealt with properly. I can only 1/2 relate in that I really do not have any friends that are THAT dear to me (as what you described). I do have younger sisters however, who may someday get married in a church. But until that day comes, I do not intend on giving any sort of answer to them now one way or the other about not being able to attend their weddings. It's more like, "We will cross that bridge when we come to it." Most non-Jewish weddings don't have the entire wedding events (i.e. the reception) inside the church anyway. I don't see how there is any issue with making an appearance at a reception even though you can't eat the food. My goodness, for work-related events, Torah observant Jews have to do this all the time (corporate parties where the food is trief) so all the more so for a friend's wedding! Rishona posted on 02/13 at 12:37 PM. Aliza, Avi posted on 02/13 at 12:42 PM. Rabbi Menachem Genack wrote the following letter to President Clinton, upon his invitation to attend the second inaugural ceremonial which was to be held in a church: Lisa posted on 02/13 at 12:50 PM. Although very sympathetic to Ms. Hausman's internal struggle, I don't understand the halacha Ms. Hausman observes by not attending her friend's "wedding". Myron posted on 02/13 at 01:22 PM. I too am an Orthodox convert. When I asked this question in regards to my family (I wanted to know what would happen when and if my brother got married) I was told by a rabbi that I would not be able to go since, once I became Jewish I would have to leave my previous life behind, lock, stock and barrel and that included my family. When I followed that question up by asking what would happen when, chas v'shalom, my parents died I got the same answer. I don't know if anyone noticed, but I said I asked A rabbi, not MY rabbi. His answers seemed so callous and unfeeling that I went and found another rabbi to complete my conversion (there were other issues with the first rabbi too, but these questions were a factor in the decision to find a new rabbi). Shaindy posted on 02/13 at 01:36 PM. If Rabbi Lookstein didn't go it would have proved a huge embarrassment for the Jewish community. I think the RCA's expression of their opinion did cause an embarrassment and a chilul hashem. Diane Burstein posted on 02/13 at 01:39 PM. Somebody asked for source. The following is used as a source but remember there are always different interpretations. Also, even though many of us don't consider Avodah Zara to be the issue, there are those who feel maaris ayin (appearance sake) is involved. Personally, I am not orthodox, so I have no problem entering a church for a friend's wedding. However, I would not go to a church or any other place if it were a wedding between a Jew and non Jew. My reason has nothing to do with going into a church. But it has everything to do with intermarriage and the rampant assimilation which exists today. Dr R Wolberg posted on 02/13 at 02:03 PM. Dear Aliza, Ruth posted on 02/13 at 02:40 PM. As someone who converted to Orthodox Judaism more than 28 years ago, I appreciate Mrs. Hausman's problem. The problem becomes more intense when dealing with one's birth-parents and their funerals. When my father died, I was fortunate that his funeral was not held in a church. But my mother wants her funeral to be in her church and when it is held, I will be outside, subject to the stares of bewilderment and perhaps outrage by her friends and church members who will not understand that their religion, at least for a Jew, is idolatry, and their church is a house of idol worship. My mother has consented to this but is obviously less than pleased. What makes my issue more difficult is when notable rabbis, like Rabbi Lookstein, Rabbi Jakobowitz, zt'l, or Rabbi Yehezkel Ekstein openly go into churches. When Christians are aware of this, they do not understand that we converts have no choice but to stay out. While I respect that there are sources that justify their exceptional visits into churches, I would hope that those using these heters appreciate the difficulty they give to converts. Bruce James posted on 02/13 at 03:02 PM. Aliza, Tzvi posted on 02/13 at 03:30 PM. Aliza Hausman's article did bring a number of issues to the fore. Whether you agree with or take issue with her actions in the past, it seem clear to me that she is speaking from the heart and was trying to do the right thing. Her decision was made with the best intentions and taking into account the best advice that she had. It was clearly a difficult decision and this should not be taken lightly. Posts that castigate here are not only counter productive but are a chillul Hashem. Jonathan posted on 02/13 at 03:59 PM. It grieves me to see that a religion's rules (ANY religion) would alienate one from human relationships that one holds dear (save for those people who hold the same rigid interpretations). It speaks to ostracism and exclusion. That Rabbi who spoke of “the pain and suffering the church has caused the Jewish people," did not mention that there were also Christians who risked their lives to rescue Jews? Just Wandering posted on 02/13 at 04:03 PM. I grew up as a christian. Like so many sephardic jews that came to the new world my jewishness was hidden from me. The more I embraced my jewishness the more I detested my christian upbringing. Not only for the detriment it allows into the lives of its people but also the intolerance toward me that ensued because of my choice. Lo and behold the more secure I became in my jewish roots the more secure I became about my upbringing. Meaning that I was starting to shed the uncomfortableness of having been raised in christianity. Manny posted on 02/13 at 05:34 PM. BS"D Margalit bat Abraham Abinu posted on 02/14 at 09:56 PM. While one commentator has said that he would not have blamed you for making a one-time exception for your friend's wedding, let me tell you, there is never just a "one-time" exception. Later there would have been christenings and similar events that you would have been expected to attend. Bruce James posted on 02/14 at 10:03 PM. I am sorry to hear of such a good friend lost over this. We all wish for such friends. Dale Sands posted on 02/14 at 11:23 PM. B''H Shoshana Chana posted on 02/15 at 03:30 AM. The more I learn about Judaism, the more, as others have mentioned, I completely detest my Xian upbringing (and at the same time, I am not in a position to convert right now...too much drama, too many uncertainties, no tools to help me...but that's another issue...). I have already had to deal with the "should I go to the wedding" issue, but it was much, much too easy for me to outright refuse since this was a wedding of coworkers and not my life-long friend. I'd never walk into a church again if I could help it. All the lies through all the centuries are just too much for me to tolerate, and I am painfully aware of them simply by walking into a Xian house of worship. Rox posted on 02/15 at 09:59 AM. Mrs. Hausman; Chaim Arnstein posted on 02/15 at 01:55 PM. I see that many who are commenting have converted to Judaism. I'm wondering, is entering a church a special challenge to a convert, is that why there is so much resistance to this occurring? I have learned that we are to consider a convert as equivalent to one born Jewish, so I think this discussion is violating this precept! Now I will violate it as well. Many committed, even Orthodox Jews who were born Jewish also utilize "common sense" and intuition in making certain decisions. I would go as far as to say one's Judaism can not, in the end, survive without some exercise of autonomy and independent decision making. I hope that converts also learn to do this -- otherwise the risk is turning Judaism into a cult, Heaven forbid. Robert L Smith posted on 02/15 at 02:53 PM. I dont see how Judaism would require you to destroy a true, loving friendship like that - this is one of the most precious gifts that G-d can give us. Situations like this are capable of causing so much emotional hurt and damage, to rip apart a family or a friendship, I just can't see it. DL posted on 02/15 at 11:56 PM. It seems that the problem to me is that in our very tolerant society, we do not wish to make public statements regarding our beliefs. If you believe in Judaism then that very belief also means you believe Christianity to be a lie, or a fraud being perpetrated by the leaders of that religion. If that is the case how can we silently stand by in a church while a priest gets up and attributes G-dliness to a man?! Our being there is also our acceptance of what should absolutely never be accepted by us. The Torah tells us how one day all the nations of the world will come to recognize the "One" true G-d and we must lead by example. If your friend wanted you so badly at her wedding she could have easily chosen to get married elsewhere or just have you at the reception later on. However what probably really bothered her was the message that you sent which is "It is my belief that your religion is false" and that is what offended her so badly. As the daughter of a convert I can see both worlds and am unafraid to show the world what I believe. Ronni posted on 02/16 at 01:14 AM. I am also a convert, and I have a masters degree in theology from a Protestant seminary. The rabbi's statement that you can't go in a church is based on a flawed assumption, namely, that Christianity is idolatry. It is not! Christianity and Islam are monotheistic religions. Explanations of the Trinitarian formulation (which is, admittedly, a very difficult concept) go to great lengths to preserve the monotheism. I concluded that Christianity is a perfectly fine religion - for non-Jews; it just requires a leap of faith which I can't make. I see no problem with helping Christians to observe their own religious practices, and I think attending a Christian wedding would qualify. I doubt very much that those rabbis who pronounce against Christianity have ever really studied it from within (they have only studied Jewish sources, which in turn aren't authoritative about another religion), and I wish they would confine their statements to subjects they know something about. Barbara posted on 02/16 at 12:23 PM. I agree with Barbara. One need not reject others religions as being right for them. Clearly we accept the righteous of all religions. We can be right as Jews practicing Judiasm but that doesn't make a Christian wrong for practicing Christianity. (Or else we would be obligated to convert them all, which we don't try to do). As far as Moslems, even among some who claim Christianity is wrong, Islam is much closer to Judaism in theory -- and the "rules" about entering a mosque more liberal than a church (for those who take on the latter stringency). There is this strange streak that occasionally surfaces in Jewish texts. For example violation of Shabbat to save a life. Some would not apparently not extend that to Christians but mainstream Judaism clearly rejects that approach. Hopefully also, mainstream Judaism rejects some of the anti Christian polemic found above. However, it's unfortunately not a big step from refusing to enter a church to seeing all Christians as somehow less human than Jews. R L Smith posted on 02/16 at 01:49 PM. I found your story both interesting and sad. Your Rabbi's answer was the wrong one - for you (and yes, our most revered, well meaning and well respected rabbis can be um....wrong sometimes! Heresy!). Barak F. posted on 02/16 at 07:21 PM. I think some of the commenters are missing the point. It's not about worrying that if you enter a church you will be moved to practice the religion. It's not about getting struck down. Entering a church and not being moved doesn't make it right to enter the church (do you get hit by lightening every time you do something wrong? has every thief and murder been struck down as soon as they committed the wrong act?). For those who say the author was wrong in deciding not to enter a church, issues of idolatry and entering a church aside, in the discussion of doing what God wants - she can say that she is right and you are wrong, as definitively as you say she is wrong and you are right. lh posted on 02/16 at 09:08 PM. Dear Aliza, Micha'el L posted on 02/16 at 11:34 PM. But the point is, LH, she was not separate from her friend...if she were to be influenced, she would have been in her intimate relationship with Cynthia. She only was demonstrating a form a outward separation -- the real connection was there in their bond as friends. Hannah posted on 02/17 at 04:28 PM. What I meant, Hannah, was that maybe she was not meant to maintain the same friendships as before her conversion. Many of the commenters lamented Ms. Hausman's loss of the friendship and "That friends should not be alienated for religious reasons". While the loss of any friendship is hard and sad, I'm not sure a Jew is meant to have a Christian as their best friend. Outward separations and proximity influence internal ones. To say that Ms. Hausman was not and would not be influenced by her friends and those she surrounds herself with (Jewish or Christian) is naive. lh posted on 02/17 at 04:42 PM. LH- what you are proposing sounds absurd; I'm sorry. Real friends are precious, irregardless of their religion, their race, or anything else. Of course a person's characteristics are very important in any relationship. But what are the reasons why a religious Jew cannot be friends with a religious Christian? The love shared between the two should include respect which should mean that no offense is taken when one cannot participate in another's lifecycle events. Do real friends get offended when their deaf friends cannot hear them sing? Just wow. Rishona posted on 02/17 at 05:32 PM. How sad I am to read your story... at the same time I partly understand your conviction... Jonathan posted on 02/17 at 06:27 PM. Re Jews and Christians, sometimes I've discovered that Christians have a better understanding of my families committment to Judiasm than do fellow Jews. My kids went to public school part of the time, and there were always Shabbat related conflicts coming up. I recall prior to the senior prom, we had a Saturday afternoon "reception" and few of the Jewish kids would come -- they were too busy going to the beauty parlor whereas some of my daughters Christian friends had more respect for our "peculiar" approach involving limiting what we did on Shabbat. There were times when we had to go to the school board to object to Saturday events -- we invariably got a more sympathetic reception from Christians on the board, than Jews who kept saying we were violating the separation of Church and State. So -- should we break off all friendships with secular Jews as well as Christians. I don't see that as our halachic obligation. Lee posted on 02/18 at 10:20 AM. Friends and Colleagues, SLZ posted on 02/18 at 12:04 PM. I wanted to add that I have friends, colleagues, and acquaintances who are not Jewish. I have never had an occasion wherein I was rebuked or lost a friend due to my declining attendance in a Christian or Hindu or other ceremony. SLZ posted on 02/18 at 12:34 PM. Aliza, brave beautiful soul, a few points I want to mention, some to you personally and some to the others who commented. Tamar Tessler posted on 02/19 at 06:59 PM. p.s. it's those that compromise on religious issues (for the sake of 'peace' with others) that cause a chillul Hashem, not those that proudly stick to what's right! It confuses those of other religions when some of us do certain things and others proclaim we can't! Then they may get offended because they can't know which the truth really is - we who DO Tamar posted on 02/19 at 08:19 PM. Why, on an ORTHODOX website, is the author being chastised for putting HaShe-m FIRST in her life? Chana posted on 02/26 at 01:24 AM. Oy! Such a contentious issue!!! So many postings. And I, also, am moved to add my opinion. What does G-d want in giving us the Torah? Ultimately, a repaired world, and a model for an ethical, spiritually fulfilled world. What would that look like??? Oneness posted on 02/27 at 03:09 AM. I aim to the best Jew I can be. I have a question here.... Oneness posted on 02/27 at 03:37 AM. This article is not about whether we as Jews should be going to churches. Adela Renna posted on 03/07 at 05:28 PM. I don't think God wants us to love his laws more than people. If your child was starving to death and someone offered her a cheeseburger or a crabcake, you'd feed it to her without a second thought. We have to feed the hearts of our loved ones by sharing their joys and sorrows even if that means setting foot into a church. You certainly would not have been praying to the Christian God simply by attending your best friend's wedding. I hope that your friend will understand and your relationship will be healed. AG posted on 07/16 at 01:16 AM. |
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