{"id":41603,"date":"2015-07-21T12:52:33","date_gmt":"2015-07-21T17:52:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ou.org\/life\/?p=41603"},"modified":"2015-07-21T15:58:04","modified_gmt":"2015-07-21T20:58:04","slug":"when-lashon-hora-is-a-mitzvah","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ou.org\/life\/torah\/when-lashon-hora-is-a-mitzvah\/","title":{"rendered":"When Lashon Hora is a Mitzvah"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A while ago\u2014I forget the details\u2014I was telling some people about how a certain person posed a harmful influence. One person objected that this was <i>lashon hara<\/i>. When I pointed out that it was <i>leto&#8217;eles<\/i>, for public benefit, this person argued that it is still only permissible if the speaker&#8217;s motivations are pure. Since my motivations were suspect, then it was not permissible.<\/p>\n<p>Now, the first observation to be made here is that Rabbi Yisrael Meir Kagan&#8217;s &#8220;Laws&#8221; of <i>lashon hara<\/i> are not &#8220;laws&#8221; in the same sense as the laws of Shabbos found in the <i>Shulchan Aruch<\/i>. A must-read on this topic is Benjamin Brown&#8217;s &#8220;From Principles to Rules and from Musar to Halakhah: The Hafetz Hayim\u2019s Rulings on Libel and Gossip,&#8221; which you can read at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/738lsg4d35waxtf\/From%20Principles%20to%20Rules%20and%20from%20Musar%20to%20Halakhah%20-%20Benjamin%20Brown.pdf\">this link<\/a>. Furthermore, while the Chafetz Chaim&#8217;s conclusions became the standard for much of the Orthodox community, this was primarily simply due to his being the first person to systematically discuss the topic.<\/p>\n<p>But what about within the parameters of the Chafetz Chaim&#8217;s framework? Is it truly forbidden to warn people of someone&#8217;s faults if one&#8217;s motivations are not pure? Surely this makes no sense &#8211; why should these other people be put in harm&#8217;s way just because of one&#8217;s own shortcomings?<\/p>\n<p>If we look at the Chafetz Chaim&#8217;s discussions of this topic, an interesting discrepancy can be seen. When discussing the laws of <i>lashon hara<\/i> and cases where it is permitted in order to help others, he lists purity of intent as being an essential condition (<i>Hilchos Lashon Hara<\/i> 10:2). But later, when discussing the laws of <i>rechilus <\/i>(tale-bearing)\u00a0and cases where it is permitted in order to help others (<i>Hilchos Issurei Rechilus<\/i>\u00a09:2), while he likewise lists pureness of intent as being an essential condition, there is a footnote to his <i>Be&#8217;er Mayim Chaim<\/i> commentary. In the commentary, he notes that even if one does not have purity of intent, one must nevertheless <i>still <\/i>relate the <i>rechilus<\/i>. After all, we are discussing a case where it is in order to help others from being harmed, and there is a mitzvah of <i>Lo Ta&#8217;amod Al Dam Re&#8217;echa<\/i>, not to stand by when someone is going to be hurt. Rather, he says, when describing purity of motive as a requirement, he means that one should try as much as possible to focus on doing it for positive purposes.<\/p>\n<p>Now, why did the Chafetz Chaim not make this same point in discussing cases where it is permitted to state <i>lashon hara<\/i>? I don&#8217;t know, but it seem very clear that it should equally apply. Perhaps it was simply an oversight. (Alternately, looking carefully at the Chafetz Chaim&#8217;s language in discussing<i>lashon hara<\/i>, it seems to me that he is talking about having proper motive insofar as assessing that there is a genuine chance of helping people, not in terms of one&#8217;s inner motives. If I am correct, this is something that has been lost in the ArtScroll translation.)<\/p>\n<p>One who sees the Chafetz Chaim&#8217;s work as being a halachic work like the Shulchan Aruch will probably not apply this principle (that purity of motive is not an essential condition) to <i>lashon hara<\/i>, since the Chafetz Chaim didn&#8217;t mention it there. But one who sees the concept of permitted and forbidden speech as being a rational matter of creating a moral society will likewise apply this principle to cases of permitted <i>lashon hara<\/i>. If it&#8217;s a matter of stopping someone from harming others, then it doesn&#8217;t make a difference what your personal motives are (except insofar as giving reason to doubly check that it really is a matter of stopping someone from harming others).<\/p>\n<p>It is extraordinary that the works of the Chafetz Chaim, intended to make the world a better place, have often been used to make the world a worse place. Sometimes it is people not giving over harmful information about a shidduch, sometimes it is people not reporting dangerous behavior in a rabbi, sometimes it is people trying to quell frank discussion about social policies. The Torah&#8217;s principles of speech are supposed to improve society. We have to use our <i>sechel <\/i>in applying them.<\/p>\n<p>(This post originally appeared on Rabbi Slifkin&#8217;s wonderful blog: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rationalistjudaism.com\/\">Rational Judaism<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>Like this story? Buy Rabbi Slifkin&#8217;s &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ou.org\/oupress\/product\/pre-order-the-torah-encyclopedia-of-the-animal-kingdom-volume-one-chayotwild-animals\/\">The Torah Encyclopedia of the Animal Kingdom<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A while ago\u2014I forget the details\u2014I was telling some people about how a certain person posed a harmful influence. One person objected that this was lashon hara. When I pointed out that it was leto&#8217;eles, for public benefit, this person argued that it is still only permissible if the speaker&#8217;s motivations are pure. 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