{"id":47509,"date":"2019-05-23T15:50:14","date_gmt":"2019-05-23T15:50:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ou.org\/holidays\/?p=47509"},"modified":"2020-09-08T16:12:38","modified_gmt":"2020-09-08T16:12:38","slug":"the-case-for-receiving-the-torah-moshes-debate-with-the-angels","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ou.org\/holidays\/the-case-for-receiving-the-torah-moshes-debate-with-the-angels\/","title":{"rendered":"The Case for Receiving the Torah:\u00a0Moshe\u2019s Debate with the Angels"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Reprinted with permission from Rabbi Bernstein\u2019s new book, <\/em><strong>The Call of Sinai<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Following the event of the nation hearing the <em>Aseres HaDibros<\/em>, the Torah relates that Moshe ascended the mountain to receive the rest of the Torah on their behalf. As we will see, he was met in this matter with considerable resistance. The Gemara relates the following:<\/p>\n<p>When Moshe ascended on high (to receive the Torah), the ministering angels said before the Holy One, Blessed be He, \u201cMaster of the world, what is someone born of a woman doing among us?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Hashem said to them: \u201cHe has come to receive the Torah.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>They said before Him: \u201cThe coveted treasure that was stored away by You for nine hundred and seventy-four generations before the world was created, You intend to give it to flesh and blood?! What is a mortal that You should remember him, or the son of man that You should recall him?<a href=\"#_ftn1\" name=\"_ftnref1\">[1]<\/a> Hashem our Master, how mighty is Your Name throughout the world, so that You should bestow Your glory upon the heavens!\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn2\" name=\"_ftnref2\">[2]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Said the Holy One, Blessed be He, to Moshe: \u201cGive them an answer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Moshe said before Him: \u201cMaster of the world, I am fearful lest they burn me with the breath in their mouths!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Hashem said to him: \u201cGrasp hold of My Throne of Glory and give them an answer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Moshe said before Him: \u201cMaster of the world, the Torah that You are giving me, what is written in it? \u2018I am Hashem your God Who has taken you out of the Land of Egypt.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Moshe said to the angels: \u201cDid you descend to Egypt? Were you enslaved to Pharaoh? Why should the Torah be yours?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat else is written there? \u2018There shall not be unto you the gods of others.\u2019 Do you live among nations who worship idols?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat else is written there? \u2018Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it.\u2019 Do you engage in labor from which you need to rest?\u2026<\/p>\n<p>\u201c\u2018Honor your father and mother.\u2019 Do you have a father or mother?<\/p>\n<p>\u201c\u2018You shall not murder; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal.\u2019 Is there envy among you? Is there an evil inclination among you?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Immediately, [the angels] conceded to the Holy One, Blessed be He.<a href=\"#_ftn3\" name=\"_ftnref3\">[3]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Although there are many questions which could (and should) be raised regarding the particulars of the above episode, the most important question undoubtedly concerns the exchange itself, for the entire conversation is simply baffling. On the one hand, the angels vehemently protest the Torah being given to man, while at the same time it appears that they had not even taken the trouble to open it and find out what it says! All it took was for Moshe to read out the Ten Commandments for the angels to concede that not even one of them applied to them!<\/p>\n<p>How are we to understand this debate?<\/p>\n<p><strong>What Did the Angels Want?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In order to appreciate the position of the angels, we refer to an idea discussed in numeorus sources,<a href=\"#_ftn4\" name=\"_ftnref4\">[4]<\/a> namely, that the Torah that predated the world existed in the form of an unbroken chain of letters consisting of Names of Hashem. These Names represent the sum total of Divine wisdom \u2014 relating to every sphere and every level of Creation \u2014 that it is possible for created beings to understand. The commentators explain that it was to the Torah in <em>this <\/em>form that the angels were referring, for its esoteric wisdom is something to which they are entirely suited \u2014 and perhaps even more so than man.<a href=\"#_ftn5\" name=\"_ftnref5\">[5]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>However, now that we understand the form in which the angels sought to keep the Torah with them, we encounter a different problem, for Moshe was seeking to receive the Torah in the form of practical mitzvos. At this point, Moshe and the angels seem to be talking at cross-purposes. For their part, the angels are seeking to hold on to the prior form of Torah, while Moshe is seeking to receive it as the Divine program of physical mitzvos which applies only to human beings. Seeing as the Torah contains both, how are these two goals in conflict with each other? Can they not keep the Torah as it applies to <em>them<\/em>, while we receive it as it applies to <em>us<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>The question thus remains: What was the basis of the angels\u2019 objection to Moshe receiving the Torah in the form of mitzvos?<\/p>\n<p>The answer is that the angels were not claiming that the Torah in the form of practical mitzvos should exist among them; they were claiming that it should not exist in this form at all.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Defining Glory<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Angels are spiritual beings. As such, they are naturally closer to Hashem, Who is Absolute Spirituality, than man is. From the vantage point of their own existence, the entire physical realm represents one that is distant from Hashem, and hence it is an affront to His Torah that it should exist in that realm. In the verse from <em>Tehillim<\/em> quoted by the Gemara, the angels recognize that the <em>Might of Hashem\u2019s Name<\/em> (<u>\u05d0\u05d3\u05d9\u05e8 \u05e9\u05de\u05da<\/u>) exists throughout the physical world; however, they argue that His <em>Glory<\/em> (<u>\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05da<\/u>) should remain in the spiritual realms!<\/p>\n<p>What is the answer to this claim?<\/p>\n<p>What the angels, as spiritual beings, do not appreciate about physical existence is that if the Torah is implanted within it and is able to elevate it above the mundane and the temporal \u2014that is a greater Glory for Hashem! Therefore, although the physical element of man\u2019s makeup is indeed naturally distant from Godliness, it is specifically <em>because of that element<\/em> that he can give glory to Hashem in a way which exceeds even that of the angels.<\/p>\n<p>This is what the Gemara means by Moshe\u2019s statement that he was fearful that the angels would \u201cburn him with their breath,\u201d i.e., that their spiritual essence would completely negate the worth of his physical existence. In response to this, Hashem told Moshe to \u201cgrasp on to the Throne of Glory and reply to them.\u201d In so doing, Moshe was expressing that, as a human being, he has a special form of attachment to Hashem\u2019s Glory and indeed, can make a unique contribution to that Glory.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Parting Gifts<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The effect of the debate between Moshe and the angels was nothing short of revolutionary. Not only did it serve to establish the unique value of physical existence, it also caused the angels to reappraise <em>their own<\/em> existence. The Gemara proceeds to relate that, upon the angels\u2019 acceptance of Moshe\u2019s argument: \u201cImmediately, each and every one of [the angels] became a friend of [Moshe] and gave him something [as a gift].\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn6\" name=\"_ftnref6\">[6]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>What is the meaning behind this sudden friendship and each angel giving Moshe a gift? Is it simply a matter of \u201cno hard feelings\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>Upon realizing that Moshe, representing human beings, is capable of making a contribution to Hashem\u2019s Glory exceeding even that of the angels, they came to appreciate that part of their role as heavenly beings is to \u201cbefriend\u201d him and even assist him in that endeavor. This was expressed in the gifts which each angel gave to Moshe.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shavuos and \u201cYou\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Gemara records an interesting dispute among the Tannaim (Sages of the Mishnah) as to how to reconcile two verses related to the festivals. One verse states that the festivals are \u201cfor Hashem,\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn7\" name=\"_ftnref7\">[7]<\/a> while the other states that they are \u201cfor you\u201d:<a href=\"#_ftn8\" name=\"_ftnref8\">[8]<\/a><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>One opinion among the Tannaim states that the messages of the two verses should be combined, and that the festivals should have both a spiritual element as well as a physical one.<\/li>\n<li>The other opinion disagrees and sees these two verses as representing two distinct options regarding how one may spend the festivals: A person may devote it either entirely to spiritual pursuits or entirely to physical enjoyment.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The Gemara notes that a case that is an exception to this debate is the festival of Shavuos:<\/p>\n<p><u>\u05d4\u05db\u05dc \u05de\u05d5\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05e2\u05e6\u05e8\u05ea \u05d3\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05e0\u05de\u05d9 &#8220;\u05dc\u05db\u05dd,\u201d \u05de\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d8\u05e2\u05de\u05d0? \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc.<\/u><\/p>\n<p>All are in agreement regarding Shavuos that we also need [the physical element represented by the term] \u201cfor you.\u201d What is the reason? For it is the day the Torah was given to Israel.<a href=\"#_ftn9\" name=\"_ftnref9\">[9]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>On the face of it, this statement seems rather puzzling. Would one not have thought that, on the contrary, Shavuos is a day when all agree that one may devote it entirely to Torah study and other spiritual pursuits? Why does the Gemara rather insist that all agree that there should be physical enjoyment on this day?<\/p>\n<p>Based on our discussion, we can better appreciate the Gemara\u2019s statement. It is specifically our physical existence that enabled us to receive the Torah on Shavuos; therefore, it is only appropriate that the physical part of our makeup partake of the celebration on this day.<a href=\"#_ftn10\" name=\"_ftnref10\">[10]<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Torah and the Evil Inclination<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Taking this discussion one stage further, Rav Chaim Friedlander points out that there is something else about man which caused the angels to object to him receiving the Torah \u2014 his <em>yetzer hara<\/em> (evil inclination).<a href=\"#_ftn11\" name=\"_ftnref11\">[11]<\/a> In this regard, as well, the angels look at man from the vantage point of their own existence, which revolves solely around doing Hashem\u2019s Will. Accordingly, from their point of view, to entrust that Will to the hands of a being who could even <em>consider<\/em> disobeying it is an absolute affront to Hashem and a disgrace to His commandments. However, here too, the answer to that claim is that drawing upon the higher faculties of man to overcome that inclination to disobey makes its fulfillment a greater achievement and gives more glory to Hashem.<\/p>\n<p>The full impact of this idea is the realization that even the <em>yetzer hara<\/em> exists ultimately to serve Hashem by allowing for a greater revelation of His Glory. Indeed, for this reason, the Gemara concludes its discussion by saying that included among the angels who gave Moshe gifts was the Angel of Death and, moreover, the gift he gave Moshe was one which promotes life! The Torah relates that when a plague broke out among the Jewish People during the episode of Korach\u2019s rebellion, Aharon took a firepan and placed <em>ketores<\/em> (incense) on it, thereby stopping the plague.<a href=\"#_ftn12\" name=\"_ftnref12\">[12]<\/a> From where did Aharon know that offering <em>ketores<\/em> would have this effect? The Gemara states that the knowledge of this life-saving quality of the <em>ketores<\/em> was the gift that the Angel of Death gave to Moshe.<\/p>\n<p>The idea of the Angel of Death giving Moshe a gift reflects the fact that even the forces of evil that he represents likewise ultimately exist for man to overcome them and increase the glory of Hashem. For this reason, the gift he gave Moshe was the secret of the <em>ketores<\/em>. The Gemara states that one of the spices in the <em>ketores<\/em>, the <em>chelbenah<\/em>, has a very foul odor and yet, when it is incorporated within the <em>ketores<\/em>, not only are its negative effects neutralized, but it also enhances the aroma of the other spices. That quality parallels the function of the <em>yetzer hara<\/em> itself. As a separate entity and indulged in only for itself, its effects are entirely negative. However, when enlisted in the cause of Divine service, it can lead to higher levels of revelation of Hashem\u2019s glory \u2014 and hence become the basis for higher living.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chametz and Shavuos<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As a rule, the Torah forbids any meal-offering to contain chametz.<a href=\"#_ftn13\" name=\"_ftnref13\">[13]<\/a> A notable exception is the <em>Shtei Ha\u2019lechem<\/em> offering brought on Shavuos, where the Torah specifically mandates that it consists of two loaves of chametz bread!<a href=\"#_ftn14\" name=\"_ftnref14\">[14]<\/a> How are we to understand this unusual situation?<\/p>\n<p>The <em>Kli Yakar<\/em> explains.<a href=\"#_ftn15\" name=\"_ftnref15\">[15]<\/a> The Gemara refers to the <em>yetzer hara<\/em> as \u201cthe yeast in the dough.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn16\" name=\"_ftnref16\">[16]<\/a> The meaning behind this analogy is that, like yeast, the <em>yetzer hara<\/em> takes physical ingredients and inflates them to makes them appear significantly more impressive. Additionally, it inflates the person\u2019s own self-image to the extent that he is prepared to issue directives to others for how to behave, but not to receive them himself. Understandably, therefore, yeast is not a friend of Divine service and hence, no trace of it may be found in the Beis Hamikdash. However, on one day a year, the Torah requires that it be incorporated into the Temple service. On Shavuos, we recall that it is specifically <em>because of<\/em> this yeast that we received the Torah. The message for us on this day is that the very existence of the <em>yetzer hara<\/em> is for it to be overcome. Armed with this deeper vision of our uniquely human constitution, we receive the Torah anew for the coming year and resolve to give the <em>yetzer hara<\/em> what it really wants \u2014 to be conquered and thereby to become enlisted as a cause for the level of existence attainable only to man.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref1\" name=\"_ftn1\">[1]<\/a> <em>Tehillim<\/em> 8:5.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref2\" name=\"_ftn2\">[2]<\/a> Ibid., v. 2.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref3\" name=\"_ftn3\">[3]<\/a> <em>Shabbos<\/em> 88b.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref4\" name=\"_ftn4\">[4]<\/a> See e.g. Introduction of Ramban to his Commentary on the Torah.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref5\" name=\"_ftn5\">[5]<\/a> See <em>Teshuvos Radvaz<\/em> \u00a71,067; Mabit, <em>Beis Elokim<\/em>, <em>Shaar Hayesodos<\/em> chap. 12; <em>Shelah Hakadosh<\/em>, <em>Shavuos<\/em>, <em>Torah Ohr<\/em> \u00a791; and <em>Meshech Chochmah<\/em>, <em>Shemos<\/em> 20:18. See also commentary of <em>Alshich<\/em> to <em>Iyov<\/em> 28:20.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref6\" name=\"_ftn6\">[6]<\/a> <em>Shabbos <\/em>ibid.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref7\" name=\"_ftn7\">[7]<\/a> See <em>Devarim<\/em> 16:8.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref8\" name=\"_ftn8\">[8]<\/a> See <em>Bamidbar<\/em> 29:35.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref9\" name=\"_ftn9\">[9]<\/a> <em>Pesachim<\/em> 68b.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref10\" name=\"_ftn10\">[10]<\/a> <em>Beis Halevi<\/em>, <em>parashas<\/em> <em>Yisro<\/em>, s.v. <em>ha\u2019kol<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref11\" name=\"_ftn11\">[11]<\/a> <em>Sifsei Chaim<\/em>, <em>Moadim<\/em>, vol. 3, p. 122.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref12\" name=\"_ftn12\">[12]<\/a> <em>Bamidbar<\/em> 17:13.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref13\" name=\"_ftn13\">[13]<\/a> See <em>Vayikra<\/em> 2:11.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref14\" name=\"_ftn14\">[14]<\/a> Ibid., 23:17.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref15\" name=\"_ftn15\">[15]<\/a> <em>Vayikra<\/em> loc. cit.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref16\" name=\"_ftn16\">[16]<\/a> <em>Berachos<\/em> 17a.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Reprinted with permission from Rabbi Bernstein\u2019s new book, The Call of Sinai Following the event of the nation hearing the Aseres HaDibros, the Torah relates that Moshe ascended the mountain to receive the rest of the Torah on their behalf. As we will see, he was met in this matter with considerable resistance. 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